Ballantyne Family tree

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Ballantyne Family tree

Postby Ramon » Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:41 am

So, here it is. Please feel free to comment and correct any mistakes you find.

I haven't yet read "The Triumph of the Sun" so maybe there are some missing family members.

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Postby Nefer » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:45 am

Wow! Great job Ramon! Thanks for doing this! I'll sticky it so that it stays at the top of the forum :)
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Postby Penitent » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:30 am

Thanks Ramon! I startted the Ballantines last week, and this will help a lot!
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Postby Ramon » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:45 am

I have just finished The Triumph of The Sun, and I'm sorry to say, the family tree cannot be extended or added to.

Spoiler:
There were only three Ballantyne's mentioned by name. Penrod, his elder brother Peter and Peter's wife Jane. Penrod of course married Amber, so that's makes it four...

As far as I can recall none of these were mentioned in the other Ballantyne books, so I can't put them in the tree.
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Postby delby » Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:15 pm

This is magnificent the Ballantynes are my faves and I love it but I think Leila STJohn comes further down that line because she is not that old when she sleeps with sam in the cellar is she???
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Postby Ramon » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:55 am

delby wrote:This is magnificent the Ballantynes are my faves and I love it but I think Leila STJohn comes further down that line because she is not that old when she sleeps with sam in the cellar is she???


I remember when reading "The Angels weep" I found it a little awkward that Leila and Sam got involved because of the age difference. I must go back to check again, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

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Found it! This is a description of Leila. It is about 3/4 into the book:
Her skin was unnaturally pale, inherited from her father, Robert St. John.
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Postby delby » Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:03 am

Sorry Ramon I didnt mean to imply you had made a mistake
just that the ages seemed to be messed up a little because Johnathan (bawu) was around the same age as Robert st john so craig and sam are two generations on from leila its something that has always bothered me a bit so when I saw it on your tree I had to comment.


of course it is (how the hell do you spell it) feasible but its just a
niggly little thing isnt it
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Postby Ramon » Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:39 am

I agree. Could this perhaps be a mistake from Mr Smith's side?
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Postby delby » Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:59 pm

Maybe Ramon


Also I just read angels again this week and there is no mention of Leila and Craig even being Related though you know they are. do they.
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Postby Ramon » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:04 am

delby wrote:Maybe Ramon


Also I just read angels again this week and there is no mention of Leila and Craig even being Related though you know they are. do they.


I can't remember now if it was ever stated that they were related, but when I did the family tree, I filled in all the names as I was reading. And the result shows that they were related, however pretty far apart.

I see that the new forum layout has cut the family tree. I will try to paste a new picture that fits.

edit: Now it fits again...
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Re: Ballantyne Family Tree

Postby chrisbass » Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:29 pm

Good Work but just one question has anyone figured where Penrod Ballantyne (TOTS) fits in?
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby micdixie » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:45 pm

Fantastic! Has anyone created a map of the expedition in [i]A Falcon Flies[i]? I would like to map it out on Google Earth and follow their trail.
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby Nefer » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:20 pm

Hi & welcome micdixie :)

I don't think anyone has mapped it out - would be really cool to see it on Google Earth :)
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby Geoff Carter » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:22 pm

GoogleEarth; what a tool. WS's account for detail and accuracy is so easily varified with the access of such technology these days.

Previously (in the Courtney's) I have 'eyeballed' geographic features as illustrated in his books - with GoogleEarth with indeed uncanny accuracy.

Along with previous correspondents on this matter, it would be great to track the progress of Zouga's team in FF. with a map!

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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby masvingo » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:27 pm

Hi,

I don't know if you are aware of this website? I came across it by accident. It might be useful for family trees etc.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10320012/Smit ... Men-of-Men

It contains the full text of the book and allows you to search for a word, or words, through the entire book. For example, if you search for 'Moffat' it gives you the eight occasions when that name appears. Incidently this highlights that Ralph refers to Robert Moffat as 'grandfather' on two occasions, and as his 'great-grandfather' once.

It seems to take a while to search, but that is probably because my computer is antediluvian.
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby Nefer » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:32 pm

Cripes... :shock:

Wonder if it's legal?
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby u22utoo » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:20 pm

http://myweb.cableone.net/ericgardner/Ballantyne.htm

I made an attempt at this a couple of years ago. Info is located at the link above....
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby Nefer » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:32 pm

Thanks for the link :)
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby Richie L » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:08 pm

Hi all. I'm just reading Assegai and note that Leon Courtney (Penrod Ballantyne's nephew) is in Wilber's official family tree, and I too was wondering where Penrod fits, especially in relation to Zouga Ballantyne. Judging by time period he should be a generation younger than Zouga and seeing as both spent years in Africa in the British military I'm guessing they could be close relations. Any ideas??
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Re: Ballantyne Family tree

Postby Frombo » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:06 pm

Hey Ramon,
For some reason the family tree isn't coming up on my screen so is there any chance you can send it to me at afrom1@eq.edu.au? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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